My-Symbian & My-Maemo / My-MeeGo

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Hintry wrote:

jad wrote: Ahh thread elongator Hintry .. Grow up mate .. Mini Me is telling me to "grow up"

lol lol again...

[My-Symbian]

[Z-Mario]

hintry wrote: but it is patently clear that over the years nokia had become complacent and cumbersome.


can't deny that, nokia has been underdelivering lately

Quote: nokia not only has an image problem, its phones can barely keep pace with the chasing pack. the uncomfortable truth is all mobile phone manufacturers are chasing apple, a company that has a single product in its phone portfolio. once the leader, nokia has fallen so far behind that its devices aren't even mentioned in the same breath as apple's iphone, samsung's galaxy s, motorola's droid x or htc's desire. the curious part? apple reached the top by copying nokia.

na, it still does, look at the iphone 4 and the n810

Quote: nokia's image problem isn't solely from the aesthetics of its products, many of which should be covered with a paper bag when placed next to apple's iphone 4 or sony's xperia x10. no, the problem is almost entirely with the software. the firm's insistence to stick with its symbian operating system has cost it almost everything.

some nokia phones may not be as good looking as the iphone but

http://mobileappamerica.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/iphone-4-b umper-150x1501.jpg

you'll want to cover your iphone for other reasons

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/06/iphone-shattered 2.jpg

http://appletoolbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/iphone.png

Quote: not only did the firm underestimate the popularity of touchscreen devices, when it did produce them, the operating system felt like it was designed by someone who thought sitting on a spike would be good for ergonomics. after using nokia's n97 mini for several months, it's hard to see why anyone would subject themselves to this level of frustration on a daily basis.

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/448/iphones.png
i know it's not a iphone 4 xp

Quote: putting aside the device's flaws, of which there are many, it's blatantly obvious that the operating system wasn't designed for touchscreen input. the list of faults is extensive, starting from basic ergonomics and going all the way up to a level of finish that could be outshone by a single teenage coder in his parents' basement. there's a general feeling that as nokia watched competitors bring out new features, it felt compelled to simply bolt their equivalents onto a cumbersome and creaking operating system.

nokia ditched the s90 platform too fast, it was both symbian and touch based, s60 shouldnt've gone touch, maemo or even s90 were better at that.

Quote: nokia has gone from having a sense of desperation to being in the centre of its own disaster zone. first the firm came out with the positive news that it will load its all new operating system, meego, onto its high end n-series phones.

stupid n...

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[dannycamps]

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So, yeah, Nokia sucks, but Apple has bad things too

History (and some board posters) seems to be forgetting about Apple. The company which was founded in the late 70's was a myriad of product disasters until about the last decade or so.

There were times that Apple was so close to going under that they had to beg, borrow, and steal just to keep the lights on.

So now, we are finding ourselves in a situation where Nokia is having a rough patch innovation-wise and seems to be falling behind the pack a bit. I can assure you that where Nokia is right now is a whole lot better than where Apple was during its down times. That's also not to say that we may see a Nokia resurgence in the future - and no one can predict whether that will or will not happen.

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I've seen some QT apps in the N900 but...were are the ports from e.g Symbian? The N900 needs some more apps, or better apps

Now that Nokia has removed the Symbian-signing pricetag and lowered other costs, we are starting to see a lot of development with QT. The nice thing is that when (and dare I say if) Symbian^3 is released, any applications written for it should run with little to no change on the N900 and the same goes for MeeGo.

There is an industry buzz right now with MeeGo and it is taking foothold in laptops and tablets. IF Nokia can capitalize on it with a solid handset and a good lineup of software, it could reposition Nokia in terms or marketability.

[Michal Jerz]

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c'mon michal - you know that al gore invented the internet

i always thought that al gore invented the greenhouse effect :p

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* meego os
* 800 mhz dual-core qualcomm processor
* 1gb ram
* 8mp camera, carl zeiss optics, dual led flash
* 720p hd video recording & playback
* 4.0″ amoled capacitive touchscreen, 800 x 480 pixels
* 4-row hardware qwerty keyboard
* 17mm thin (a little under twice as thick as the apple iphone 4).

looks great, and matches the leaked picture.

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i'm not dissing the nokia commies or their legacy. i considered them at the time to be both best-in-class and state-of-the-art. however regardless of their potential, there were certain tasks that were extremely tedious and therefore not practical to perform.

but at least doable, unlike on the iphone which didn't exist then (and the next 7 years).

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it was the iphone in 2007 that introduced direct manipulation multi-touch ui and thereby revolutionized the mobile experience.
it's hard to blame the 9210 for not supporting multi-touch ui given that no touch display technology capable of this existed at that time.

oh, and to be precise, the iphone actually popularized that technology. as far as i know, it was introduced by adobe labs.

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someone invented something, but only after a decade a major tweak to this invention revolutionized the way the whole invention is used by people and changed the scene and the market". what is not logical in this, please tell me?

the iphone in 2007 changed just one thing: ui experience. which is something different than generalizing that it started the whole mobile revolution. in 2007 the iphone didn't even support umts, bluetooth support was purely theoretical, it couldn't record movies and was taking awful low-res pictures, and so on. so besides that nice and innovative ui it actually offered nothing. it took them three years to add most of these features, supported by all other brands since mid 2000s. right, now it finally supports them, but it's now and not 2007. and the problem is that apple spent those last three years on adding those so badly missing features while not bringing any new things, while the competitors didn't sleep. android gets more and more powerful and meego is also right around the corner and may turn out to be a great platform (which is what hintry will surely deny, without even knowing anything about it).

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obviously, apple had the benefit of "latecomer advantage", but it is patently clear that over the years nokia had become complacent and cumbersome.

nobody here denies it or tries to defend nokia and some silly things they've been doing lately. but it does not mean that it should not be praised for its past great devices and achievements. two different things. just because nokia scr*ws up some things now does not mean that everyone here should condemn its whole history.

besides, as i wrote, if we compare nokia's hard times to apple's hard times then it'll turn out that nokia's problems would have to continue over the next deca...

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[My-Symbian]

[ph]

Current market shares globally: http://sns.ly/JGf41

No Apple in first 5 at the moment.

[Hintry]

ph wrote:

Current market shares globally: http://sns.ly/JGf41 No Apple in first 5 at the moment.

Looks like strong marketshare doesn't necessarily equate to strong profits...

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-28/lg-posts-record-handset-lo ss-on-iphone-smartphones.html

LG Posts Record Handset Loss on IPhone, Smartphones

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LG Electronics Inc., the world’s third-biggest mobile-phone maker, reported a record loss at its handset business after lagging behind Apple Inc. and smartphone makers in selling models that send e-mails and surf the Internet. Losses from mobile phones totaled 120 billion won ($101 million) in the second quarter, compared with profit of 620 billion won a year earlier, Seoul-based LG said in a statement today. The loss, the division’s first in four years, was triple the size projected by the average estimate of five analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. The stock fell the most in seven weeks as the results illustrated how Apple’s iPhone and Samsung Electronics Co.’s Galaxy S outsold LG in the fastest-growing segment of the mobile-phone industry. The company, which joined Nokia Oyj in reporting earnings that missed estimates, today said the division may recover in the fourth quarter as it aims to introduce about 20 smartphone models this year.

And... that Apple now makes more profit from mobile handsets than just RIM, Motorola, Nokia, HTC, and Sony Ericsson combined

You Can't Appreciate How Completely Apple Has Humiliated The Cellphone Industry Until You See These Charts

http://www.businessinsider.com/you-cant-appreciate-how-completely-appl e-has-humiliated-rim-nokia-and-the-rest-of-the-gadget-industry-until-y ou-see-these-charts-2010-7

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4c3dace57f8b9a847dde0000/cellp hone-profits.jpg

[dannycamps]

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And... that Apple now makes more profit from mobile handsets than just RIM, Motorola, Nokia, HTC, and Sony Ericsson combined You Can't Appreciate How Completely Apple Has Humiliated The Cellphone Industry Until You See These Charts

See the problem with these charts is you dont know the context. Profits of what? Apple makes phones, computers, MP3 players, etc...

Second, it stands to reason that marketshare and profit are two different things (and BTW, marketshare is FAR more important). If I creates a smartphone and sold it for $1 million dollars - even if I sold just 20 of them, I would probably be more profitable than some companies even though I have no marketshare.

[Hintry]

dannycamps wrote:

[...] See the problem with these charts is you dont know the context. Profits of what? Apple makes phones, computers, MP3 players, etc...

The chart clearly states the context - "handset EBIT dollars" (Earnings Before Interest and Tax)

[ceroberts75]

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/i os-vs-android-vs-webos-vs-maemo-705107

[ceroberts75]

Hintry wrote:

Jad is to Michal what Robin is to Batman... [...] Quoted picture

lol...just for kicks...

i pulled up some family pictures.

http://ceroberts75.001webs.com/pictures/jobhintry1.jpg

http://ceroberts75.001webs.com/pictures/jobshintry2.jpg

http://ceroberts75.001webs.com/pictures/jobshintry3.jpg

[Hintry]

ceroberts75 wrote:

lol...just for kicks... i pulled up some family pictures.

Keep your day job, must be the worst photoshop I've ever seen

[gymbo]

Hintry wrote:

[...] That's because I consider it irrelevant. I don't give a damn who copied who. I care about the final retail product and how best it serves me. And guess what? I don't care who the vendor is.

Really!!?!

Every time somebody does something like open, or restructure, their application-stores, they are not "copying Apple"?? Or releasing a phone with some form of multitouch, that's not "copying Apple" either. Or at least it doesn't matter because it is the end result that counts???

(Oh, and by the way, I don't necessarily agree that they in fact ARE copying either... And Apple probably wouldn't be the one they copied from either, if they in fact were copying from anyone.)

If we took away all the posts you later "forget" or recant, you wouldn't really have made that many posts here at all. Except for asking for proof of totally idiotic things, like that higher screen resolution is better than lower. Oh, sorry, you of course recanted (AND forgot) that as well when the iPhone got higher resolution...

[gymbo]

Hintry wrote:

[...] Keep your day job, must be the worst photoshop I've ever seen

Oh, was it photoshopped? I thought you looked better than usual...

[ceroberts75]

gymbo wrote:

[...] Oh, was it photoshopped? I thought you looked better than usual...

yeah...i thought so too. characters are always better in full color.


but in any case, i obviously didnt use photoshop...i took five minutes, found the pictures, used paint, and pasted them together, then posted....so about 7 minutes total....some things, it doesnt really matter how much time you put into it, the quality of the work will never surpass the true color of the focal point.

[ph]

When I look at the ebit chart indeed it shows the success of Apple. I think Steve has swiped away a big chunk of the pie from his competitors. True, he priced his products high, but he should not be worried that the market is ready to pay it. What is happening now with iPad and iP4 supplies running off is simply amazing...

Ps. There was a major update of Kindle App for iPad, which made it possible to have dictionary off line and search for words online. Amazon is not restricting ebook sales as Apple does and it is amazing how u can use the iPad for reading books now... In my country I mean, where neither iTunes Music Store nor the iBooks store is really open. Amazon on iPad case (as well as the sister app for iPhone) only shows how the whole world is steering towards where Steve is pointing...